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i mean deficit spending is a violation of the state constitution. do they care about that in sacramento? they blow right by it. neil: but you don't think what is going on here now, governor, governor davis in a second, is a harbinger? in other words maybe voters here as they have elsewhere, rightly or wrongly are saying you know what? we cut a lot or tried to cut. we never make much progress on it. i guess only thing to do to avoid fiscal armageddon is just hike taxes. we hope it is not on us. we'll start going after the rich. >> that is number one class warfare. and number two you keep piling up the debt. ultimately you're in a position, as we are in today at the federal level, where most of the debt isn't even on the books. neil: that's right. >> i mean what is said to be the national debt is about one fifth of the actual national debt. neil: you're right. unfunded liabilities and medicare, medicaid. >> medicare, medicaid, neil: you only boom your way out of that, right? governor davis, what do you see now that could boom us out of this? because t
i mean deficit spending is a violation of the state constitution. do they care about that in sacramento? they blow right by it. neil: but you don't think what is going on here now, governor, governor davis in a second, is a harbinger? in other words maybe voters here as they have elsewhere, rightly or wrongly are saying you know what? we cut a lot or tried to cut. we never make much progress on it. i guess only thing to do to avoid fiscal armageddon is just hike taxes. we hope it is not on us....
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. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion and nothing else changes you barely dented the deficit. the other programs are growing. we'll not see spending decline. in fact we'll likely have a emergency spending bill for sandy that is 60 billion. 94 is gone right there. >> even with a trillion dollars in cuts federal spending is on the way up every year starting with 3.5 trillion this fiscal year. nearly 3.6 trillion in 2014. 4 trillion by 2016 and 5 trillion by 2021. the cbo says even allowing 5 trillion in tax increases to hit the economy the next decade the federal government still spends $2.3 trillion more than it takes in. back to you. melissa: oh, rich edson thanks so much. adam: you think with the physical problems the country faces zooming at us like a 1959 he had sell going at us on a one way treat there would be sense of urgency. president obama has no meetings, no public appearances on the issue planned at least so far today. brad blakeman is not surprised. he says it is a clear sign we're goi
. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion and nothing else changes you barely dented the deficit. the other programs are growing. we'll not see spending decline. in fact we'll likely have a emergency spending bill for sandy that is 60 billion. 94 is gone right there. >> even with a trillion dollars in cuts federal spending is on the way up every year starting with 3.5 trillion this fiscal year. nearly 3.6 trillion in 2014. 4 trillion by 2016 and 5...
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states of america, the largest economy, that holds the world reserve currency, possibly defaults on its deficit. that we give up the basic notion that the united states stands behind its obligation. we cannot afford to go there again. this is not just my opinion. it is the opinion of most of the folks in this room. when i hear someone the other side suggesting that to resolve the possibility of a perpetual or a reportedly debt ceiling crisis, that there is a price to pay, the price is paid by the american people and your businesses and the economic environment worldwide. we should not accept going through that. you know, john engler, he and i philosophically do not agree on much -- [ laughter ] >> you know, i am just being honest about john. he ii a great politician. he comes from the other party. he is exactly right when he says the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for is destroying your credit rating. i want to send a very clear message to people here. we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggest that they will type negotiations to that feeling both and
states of america, the largest economy, that holds the world reserve currency, possibly defaults on its deficit. that we give up the basic notion that the united states stands behind its obligation. we cannot afford to go there again. this is not just my opinion. it is the opinion of most of the folks in this room. when i hear someone the other side suggesting that to resolve the possibility of a perpetual or a reportedly debt ceiling crisis, that there is a price to pay, the price is paid by...
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so we're going to be in the 20s as far as deficits going forward. i think they're taunting markets. i'm hoping we don't wake up one day and markets look at what is going on here and fire right back at them. tracy: you know what? you're not wrong. that is going to happen. between that and the bond bubble bursting we have a lot to look forward to in the new year. gary kaltbaum, kaltbaum capital management. >> my pleasure, thank you. ashley: every deal is a scam, a shell game and he's right. tracy: yeah. ashley: guess what? banks are bouncing back. the third quarter proving very profitable for some of the industry's biggest names but are we out of the woods just yet? gerri willis joins us ahead to talk about that. tracy: first as we do every day at this time of day look how oil is trading. it is basically flat. $88.82 a barrel. we'll be right back. ashley: it is time to make money with charles payne. this hour we're looking at pet health specialists pet med express. charles, how fat is joe is the question? tracy: ah, fat joe. >> fat joe. i told tracy, i don't know if i told you about a
so we're going to be in the 20s as far as deficits going forward. i think they're taunting markets. i'm hoping we don't wake up one day and markets look at what is going on here and fire right back at them. tracy: you know what? you're not wrong. that is going to happen. between that and the bond bubble bursting we have a lot to look forward to in the new year. gary kaltbaum, kaltbaum capital management. >> my pleasure, thank you. ashley: every deal is a scam, a shell game and he's right....
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ronald reagan cut tax rates and congress promised to cut spending to reduce the deficit. spending cuts never happened. >> on the republican side it takes their negotiating power off the table. if a at the entitlement cuts of front. and taking that down the road. stuart: down payment satisfying -- >> and the president has said many time lost the election. stuart: charles last night said this about what leverage the republicans have. the leveraged is if we go over the cliff no matter who is blamed will ruin president obama's second term because this economy really will go into recession. and we will get a debt downgrade. that would really hurt -- >> there's a more serious which is any dissertation of our military. we are still one nation under god and we do not need to make imprudent cuts in defense for the sake of political gain or tactical benefits. i am against it and -- charles: you didn't answer the question. i still think the public will blame republicans. >> absolutely right. stuart: republicans don't have a lot of leverage. [talking over each other] >> their leverag
ronald reagan cut tax rates and congress promised to cut spending to reduce the deficit. spending cuts never happened. >> on the republican side it takes their negotiating power off the table. if a at the entitlement cuts of front. and taking that down the road. stuart: down payment satisfying -- >> and the president has said many time lost the election. stuart: charles last night said this about what leverage the republicans have. the leveraged is if we go over the cliff no matter...
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. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is around 85. we need to raise retirement ages or somehow thinking about cutting back on benefits to keep the programs in balance. ashley: diana, the other side of this issue is coming down to taxes. two years ago the president said he didn't want to let taxes go up because gdp growth was so low. how can you make that argument two years later today. gdp still struggling to get any traction? >> he should be making that argument because gdp growth is now at 2%. it was at 2.5 when he made the argument in 2010. there was even more reason not to get tax rates higher, not to allow them to go higher. the only way we'll get out of this fiscal mess is through more economic growth. and if we raise tax rates that is going to stifle economic growth. we need to be keeping tax
. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is around 85. we need to raise retirement ages or somehow thinking about cutting back on benefits to keep the programs in balance. ashley: diana, the other side of...